Mike Barry, ex M&S: the story behind Plan A and what companies can learn from it

THE STORY BEHIND PLAN A AND WHAT COMPANIES CAN LEARN FROM IT

In Episode 5 of Do Not Adjust Your Focus, the podcast from strategic and creative advisory firm Blurred, Stuart talks to Mike Barry, previously Director of Sustainable Business at Marks & Spencer, where he developed, led and implemented Plan A, the company's famous eco and ethical programme.
 
Mike believes a new business cycle is emerging one that has the potential to create a more balanced society and supporting economy.

He and Stuart discuss this, as well as the lessons that other organisations can learn from the Plan A story.

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00:09 Introduction

01:12 How did “Plan A” come about and what excited you about it?

02:38 You had a solid starting point and a visionary leader. But what challenges did you encounter when designing and implementing Plan A?

04:14 You can’t begin to implement something of this scale without a solid business case. You need to make clear projections based on concrete data – where did you begin?

05:38 You devoted 4000 working days to Plan A – do you feel you successfully embedded a culture that will endure beyond both leadership and personnel change?

07:15 How much do businesses acknowledge that reality? The fact it’s so much more prominent on the agenda.

09:20 How doable do you think it is when you hear the zero-carbon target timeframes proposed by Governments?

11:38 There is a theme emerging – everyone who really knows their stuff in the space is a tech optimist. Tech is part of the solution – what have you learnt from this in terms of Plan A?

13:45 There is a big tension between fear and hope – people were immediately afraid of scientifically produced food, for example. So how do you win back over public opinion?

15:55 We have a new government – how confident do you feel about the UK’s ability and appetite to lead in this space given the broader political context?

17:28 Do you think the government is equipped to be nimble enough to capitalize on the opportunities available?

20:24 What could get in the way of that happening?

21:20 Who is best placed to bring those different audiences along the journey? Will it be companies, policy makers, or both?

22:53 Will there be a degree of protectionism around industries and ways of working, especially in a post Brexit period?

24:37 Which companies are getting it right?

26:42 Veganism has been astonishing with its shift over the last 12 months – it’s now mainstream, and people are proud to try it.

27:43 Which industries are lagging behind?

29:20 Circular Economy – how do we achieve that? What’s in the way of us reaching that holy grail?

30:28 COP25 – on a scale of 1-10 how do you feel coming out of the back of that? Positive or otherwise?

31:40 Should politicians be afraid of Greta and the next generation… Or inspired?

33:22 We’re still using 20th century politics to solve 21st century crisis – do we need more collaboration?

34:43 I have a desire to see the next 10 years used well and make Britain synonymous of leadership in this space. A big part of that will come down to national Government and how much decision making is devolved to cities. Do you agree?

36:59 It’s a new decade – what’s your new year’s resolution going to be in to 2020?

Chapters

• 0:09 Introduction
• 1:11 How did “Plan A” come about and what excited you about it?
• 2:38 You had a solid starting point and a visionary leader. But what challenges did you encounter when designing and implementing Plan A?
• 4:14 You can’t begin to implement something of this scale without a solid business case. You need to make clear projections based on concrete data – where did you begin?
• 5:38 You devoted 4000 working days to Plan A – do you feel you successfully embedded a culture that will endure beyond both leadership and personnel change?
• 7:15 How much do businesses acknowledge that reality? The fact it’s so much more prominent on the agenda is a good thing, but one of the downsides is that companies that are leaping on it have a degree of impatience in wanting to reach perfection quickly – but
• 9:20 How doable do you think it is when you hear the zero-carbon target timeframes proposed by Governments?
• 11:38 There is a theme emerging – everyone who really knows their stuff in the space is a tech optimist. Tech is part of the solution – what have you learnt from this in terms of Plan A?
• 13:45 There is a big tension between fear and hope – people were immediately afraid of scientifically produced food, for example. So how do you win back over public opinion?
• 15:55 We have a new government – how confident do you feel about the UK’s ability and appetite to lead in this space given the broader political context?
• 17:28 Do you think the government is equipped to be nimble enough to capitalize on the opportunities available?
• 20:24 What could get in the way of that happening?
• 21:20 Who is best placed to bring those different audiences along the journey? Will it be companies, policy makers, or both?
• 22:53 Will there be a degree of protectionism around industries and ways of working, especially in a post Brexit period?
• 24:37 Which companies are getting it right?
• 26:42 Veganism has been astonishing with its shift over the last 12 months – it’s now mainstream, and people are proud to try it.
• 27:43 Which industries are lagging behind?
• 29:20 Circular Economy – how do we achieve that? What’s in the way of us reaching that holy grail?
• 30:28 COP25 – on a scale of 1-10 how do you feel coming out of the back of that? Positive or otherwise?
• 31:40 One thing I noticed from the COP25 commentary – there was nervousness about the “youth movement”. Should politicians be afraid of Greta and the next generation… Or inspired?
• 33:22 We’re still using 20th century politics to solve 21st century crisis – do we need more collaboration?
• 34:43 I have a desire to see the next 10 years used well and make Britain synonymous of leadership in this space. A big part of that will come down to national Government and how much decision making is devolved to cities. Do you agree?
• 36:59 It’s a new decade – what’s your new year’s resolution going to be in to 2020?